The Stickler Revisited No. 3023, 30/11/2007

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15 Responses to The Stickler Revisited No. 3023, 30/11/2007

  1. Arthur Maynard says:

    I note the puzzle number 3023 and the date. This is a reminder of why my Cryptic group adopted David’s puzzles as their desired standard. An interesting mixture of clues with varying degrees of difficulty. So many to like.
    I particularly like 21, 23 and 24 across, and 14 and 18 down.

  2. Richard Sternes says:

    Agree Arthur
    On Degree of Difficulty Scale – & 10+ years on I am still in tidy-up mode into Day Two,
    so not much in that, albeit without real need of Clue Hints.
    Still a thoroughly enjoyable Challenge.
    Minor Details
    7d – assume this is the NAME that would collectively be given to Phones & Tablets?
    18d – No idea.
    Amongst others, much Joy to be had with 12a, 21a & especially 16d.
    Surprised 16d hasn’t gone round again (that I can recall).

    • Arthur Maynard says:

      7d That was my take on this clue. We also heard that Steve Jobs died happy as he believed there are no windows in heaven.
      18d The whistle blower (3) is in the thick of things – as he should be. When I think about the container I think it also contains many of the units. But the word can be used for just one of the units. The whole word sets the scene for the action.
      I was surprised at 16d – the word play is great.

    • Patrick Lewis says:

      18d was last to go with 24a for me. The penny dropped with ‘whistle-blower’. It’s one thing to march around him/her, but then they start to book!
      1a took me way back to childhood days and a nice bit of Aussie history in 21a.
      13a was a bit of a surprise definition – not the kind you (used to be able to) buy off the shelf, for sure.
      Altogether not too hard – just a couple of breaks and a couple of googles to confirm definitions.
      Now down to first 50 Sticklers in the archive. They are generally taking much longer, sometimes days in fact. Maybe they were more difficult then or perhaps I’m savouring more and less willing to seek assistance as the numbers dwindle.

  3. Steve Ball says:

    I didn’t really find this much easier than the recent weekly Sticklers. I got stuck on a few words in the south-west corner and resorted to the thesaurus and some pattern matching to get it finished.

    As already mentioned, I don’t think the definition in 7-down is current enough for use today, but otherwise the puzzle stands up really well, with lots of really good clues.

    I think there’s an “of” missing between “development” and “great” in 13-across and wonder if the newspaper may have cut it to make the clue fit on one line. Such things were rare but not unheard of.

    • Arthur Maynard says:

      Steve, I agree with your comments
      7d (this is not a term I would use for the equipment now. I do not think I would have used it 2007 either)
      13a. I think this needs the “of” for grammatical purposes, as well as being part of the indicator. I wondered whether the other part of the clue was reasonable, but I found it is supported as a synonym in some references, so I am satisfied it is within bounds.

    • Greg Mansell says:

      7d: This is a word we used when I was doing my IT degree back in the early 80s – but it pretty much disappeared with the rise of the Apple Mac and IBM PC. I’ve been working in IT ever since, and haven’t heard it used for over 30 years. Which doesn’t reduce its validity as a crossword answer – given that it still appears in dictionaries.
      13a: Looks like a typo to me. The “of” is definitely needed, both for the surface reading and wordplay. And the definition is fine. “…say” indicates that it’s an example of the answer, which is certainly true (and supported by every dictionary I looked in).

      • Arthur Maynard says:

        It was not the “say” which intrigued me. The substitute word for call raised my eyebrows. I have used both words in different contexts. As I said earlier, I found support and examples in a number of references. I thought it worthy of mention.

  4. Richard Sternes says:

    All good reading Guys. Many Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
    Even Stickler Revisited demonstrates vibrancy of our Community.

  5. Greg Mansell says:

    Very enjoyable overall. The SW corner was also the toughest section for me.
    12a: I was vaguely aware of this word. Otherwise I would have struggled.
    13a, 21a, 6d, 16d: Nice definitions
    27a: A new word for me
    18d: I liked “whistle-blower”

  6. Lloyd Seaton says:

    I got to the answer of 24a thanks to the good definition but was unable to reconcile the word play at all. Can anybody give an explanation please?

  7. Arthur Maynard says:

    Notice is ad drain is tire. So notice dropped in drain is